somali pirates seize oil tanker
Nov 18 2008
from
http://subversishnews.blogspot.com/
http://subversishnews.blogspot.com/2008/11/somali-pirates-seize-saudi-oil-tanker.html
Quote:
"Hostages don't do the trick anymore; you can't use them for bargaining, since people don't matter in the society of the spectacle -- only commodities do."
Nov 18 2008
#2
hooray, the libertarian communists must organize piracy related industry!
free trade ≠ piracy ?
i'd ruminate that it's perhaps even the freest!
Nov 18 2008
#3
lol @ applauding pirates, beyond the aesthetic and your love of Johnny Depp, they're obviously capitalist scum.
'Wheres my copy of society of the spectacle gone...'
Nov 18 2008
#4
ha ha ha yeah, look at this greedy capitalist exploiter pig scum bag... er, well he actually looks like a pretty bad motherfucker...
yep...
and then there's this article...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/world/africa/01pirates.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
whence:
Quote:
"Somalia’s central government imploded in 1991, casting the country into chaos. With no patrols along the shoreline, Somalia’s tuna-rich waters were soon plundered by commercial fishing fleets from around the world. Somali fishermen armed themselves and turned into vigilantes by confronting illegal fishing boats and demanding that they pay a tax."...
“We don’t consider ourselves sea bandits,” he said. “We consider sea bandits those who illegally fish in our seas and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our seas. We are simply patrolling our seas. Think of us like a coast guard.”
the french military is afraid to even go into their heavily fortified pirate haven, Eyl...
oh shit, where's my copy of 'workers solidarity' gone?!
...THEN WHO WAS PHONE??!??!?
i suggest we start a libcom.org/b/ and keep weeler confined there
Nov 18 2008
#5
right because if poor people do something capitalistic to make ends meet it's automatically subversive
Nov 18 2008
#6
lalala wrote:
oh shit, where's my copy of 'workers solidarity' gone?!
...THEN WHO WAS PHONE??!??!?i suggest we start a libcom.org/b/ and keep weeler confined there
we have that, its libcommunity. im allowed out to fuck up shit threads by morons who think black organised criminals are somehow r-r-r-revolutionary.
ps - I'm not in WSM.
Nov 18 2008
#7
oh you guise are cute.
@ joe K:
no, i don't think either I or the author of the post ITT said that they were automatically subversive because they interrupt capitalism's smooth untroubled commodity-flow oh-so-capitalistically. And I think the blogger's talking about news with a subversion-minded approach, not necessarily that the issues s/he's talking about are all really subversive hidden gems. there's an article on there about jamaican beach being stolen, of all things... i mean, jamaicans are a pretty subversive lot in general, but i don't think that what happened in that article was so subversive, just linking it to the history a bit might be...
regardless, what these pirates are doing is not just 'something capitalistic'... allow me to repost the prior quote:
“We don’t consider ourselves sea bandits,” he said. “We consider sea bandits those who illegally fish in our seas and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our seas. We are simply patrolling our seas. Think of us like a coast guard.”
A coast guard, see? not capitalist tuna thieves. I'd say they're kinda more like nationalists without a nation, in the sense that nation implies government and somalia doesn't have one.
fuck debord, where's my tuna gone?
@ weelers:
is it relevant in any conceivable way that they're black? and why aren't you in the WSM? i herd they liek weelers.
Nov 18 2008
#8
and um, yeah, i'll leave it to you to moralize about what the poor and miserable are driven to do by this outrageous society.
if they do what you consider un-subversive and un-revolutionary things then maybe it's your movement's fault for not 'radicalizing' them.... but face it, there's no way to get everyone's acts of resistance to comply with your high standards for revolutionary activity.
Nov 18 2008
#9
I think the point is that if it was East-End gangsters or the Russian Mafia the spin wouldn't be that it was subversive.
Nov 18 2008
#10
well, they aren't as cut off from the spoils of capitalist exploitation as a somalian.
Nov 18 2008
#11
lalala wrote:
and um, yeah, i'll leave it to you to moralize about what the poor and miserable are driven to do by this outrageous society.
if they do what you consider un-subversive and un-revolutionary things then maybe it's your movement's fault for not 'radicalizing' them.... but face it, there's no way to get everyone's acts of resistance to comply with your high standards for revolutionary activity.
oh wise up, no-one's 'moralising' about it - they're simply not getting a hard-on and presenting it like there's anything radical about it.
There's nothing radical about the paramilitary organised criminals in Belfast, although techincally they are poor working class people in areas of high unemployment. But when it's in an african country it's R3V0LuT1ONArY Seriously get fucking real.
Nov 18 2008
#12
lalala wrote:
well, they aren't as cut off from the spoils of capitalist exploitation as a somalian.
oh yeah cos they aren't white I forgot
Mugabe is pretty revolutionary too, so was that Idi Amin
Nov 18 2008
#13
ok you're going off the deep end now. i don't have a hard on either.
why do you mention "although techincally they are poor working class people in areas of high unemployment" if you don't think that kinda makes them doing ANYTHING outside of just compulsively looking for work from the pig system radical?
i kinda think anyone who takes action against the state and capital are getting to the roots of the problem, therefore somewhat 'radical.' i also kinda think there's not going to be the perfect image of revolution you imagine, ever.
it's not just because it's 'in an african country', it's because they're disrupting the movement of oil tankers, military equipment, and all kinds of other stuff. They're really interfering with the free movement of a lot of money.
why does everyone make so much of the fact they're black and from africa? who cares? they're interfering with the 'dialogue of commodities' as the post says. '
Nov 18 2008
#14
I wonder what debord would say about fetishising third world poverty.
Nov 18 2008
#15
mugabe and idi amin? what the hell? are you insinuating that i'm saying everyone in africa's a revolutionary? that would be stupid. I mean that the russian mafia and the organized european gangs have connections with big business, whereas somalia is completely abandoned by the world.
Nov 18 2008
#16
debord would laugh at your funny name and post this picture:
Nov 18 2008
#17
lalala wrote:
“We don’t consider ourselves sea bandits,” he said. “We consider sea bandits those who illegally fish in our seas and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our seas. We are simply patrolling our seas. Think of us like a coast guard.”
right, commodities in transit are plundering their oceans. gotcha. nice of you to take their word at face value too, there's no way that those invloved in lucrative organised crime might indulge in a little spin.
lalala wrote:
regardless, what these pirates are doing is not just 'something capitalistic'...
is the mob anti-capitalist? they've been known to nick commodities and flog them too.
from the BBC article linked in the post...
BBC wrote:
Given all the other people involved in the piracy industry, including those who feed the hostages, it has become a mainstay of the Puntland economy (...) The town is a safe-haven where very little is done to stop the pirates - leading to the suggestion that some, at least, in the Puntland administration and beyond have links with them. Many of them come from the same clan - the Majarteen clan of the president of Somalia's transitional federal government, Abdullahi Yusuf. (...) The coastal region of Puntland is booming. Fancy houses are being built, expensive cars are being bought (...)When the president of Puntland, Adde Musa, was asked about the reported wealth of pirates and their associates, he said: "It's more than true".
i mean come on the article you linked is absolutely gushing...
subversion minded wrote:
Starvation pushes people into a corner, and when they finally fight back everything's fair game. The oil cartels, speculators, and oil corporations kill and steal daily; now it seems that at least some people have had it, and are taking a radically new kind of action, interrupting the dialogue of commodities (free trade) with the clatter of pirate gunfire.
it's not even like poor people stealing, or piracy for that matter is "radically new" ffs. let alone that piracy appears to be a massive black market, capitalist industry. i mean you know you're talking shit when the BBC has a more anti-capitalist angle than you...
BBC wrote:
Conflict can be very good for certain types of business, and piracy is certainly one of them.
Nov 18 2008
#18
ha ha ha ok, fine.
you're right, joe, it's not even worth talking about the fact that these people just seized the biggest ship ever seized by pirates, with 2 million barrels of oil, the world's favorite commodity.
after all, what they're doing is not explicitly libertarian communist.
Nov 18 2008
#19
i don't think s/he's gushing, just a little happy to see muffuckas introducin' a little anarchy....
and um... tell me again how it's an 'anti-capitalist angle' to simply say that conflict can be profitable?
i think blackwater realizes that too; they're not anti-capitalists at all
Nov 18 2008
#20
lalala wrote:
mugabe and idi amin? what the hell? are you insinuating that i'm saying everyone in africa's a revolutionary? that would be stupid. I mean that the russian mafia and the organized european gangs have connections with big business, whereas somalia is completely abandoned by the world.
Well your point was that simply being somalian meant you were 'cut off from the spoils of capitalism', I can't see how Zimbabwe or Uganda aren't at leats as cut-off.
Again you're completely missing the fact that no-one's 'moralising' about this. We're just saying it's not something anarchists should be getting a hard-on for or pretending is somehow undermining capitalist relations.
Nov 18 2008
#21
lalala wrote:
ha ha ha ok, fine.
you're right, joe, it's not even worth talking about the fact that these people just seized the biggest ship ever seized by pirates, with 2 million barrels of oil, the world's favorite commodity.
after all, what they're doing is not explicitly libertarian communist.
it's just thieving, for a massive black market capitalist industry. would you get a hard-on if the russian mafia pulled off a record heist, perhaps shooting up a few cashiers in the process?
lalala wrote:
i don't think s/he's gushing, just a little happy to see muffuckas introducin' a little anarchy....
and um... tell me again how it's an 'anti-capitalist angle' to simply say that conflict can be profitable?
i think blackwater realizes that too; they're not anti-capitalists at all
it's more critical than creaming your pants at every poor third world guy with an AK.
Nov 18 2008
#22
lalala wrote:
i kinda think anyone who takes action against the state and capital are getting to the roots of the problem, therefore somewhat 'radical.'
are they really taking action against the state and against capital? as for the state, well, there's pretty much no state in Somalia, organised criminals and religious groups are the most you can consider 'the state' there.
as for being against capital... according to the BBC, these pirates were originally funded by businessmen but now it's become such a lucrative industry that businessmen come to the pirates for loans. and that the pirate's introduction of US dollars is really fucking up the local infrastructure. doesn't sound very anti-capital to me.
don't get me wrong, it'd be sick to be one of the pirates. but whenever i see someone bourgeois and evil on tv i get maaad fatcat envy and wanna be one of them too, fucking up the working man. but you ain't gonna be one of they pirates so you might as well forget about it.
Nov 18 2008
#23
lalala wrote:
ha ha ha ok, fine.
you're right, joe, it's not even worth talking about the fact that these people just seized the biggest ship ever seized by pirates, with 2 million barrels of oil, the world's favorite commodity.
after all, what they're doing is not explicitly libertarian communist.
Of course it's worth talking about, no one said it wasn't.
Nov 18 2008
#24
Joseph K. wrote:
lalala wrote:
ha ha ha ok, fine.
you're right, joe, it's not even worth talking about the fact that these people just seized the biggest ship ever seized by pirates, with 2 million barrels of oil, the world's favorite commodity.
after all, what they're doing is not explicitly libertarian communist.it's just thieving, for a massive black market capitalist industry. would you get a hard-on if the russian mafia pulled off a record heist, perhaps shooting up a few cashiers in the process?
When the RA did the Northern Bank it was radical and revolutionary, and 'disrupted the flow of capital'.
Oh no wait, it was just funny as fuck.
Nov 18 2008
#25
well, just a few more fleeting reflections, before i give up talking about it myself, since i don't really care whether you guise agree with me or not that it's nice and all to see this stuff happen since no one else hardly ever fucks with the theocrazy fascistic saudis and their oil profits
1....they took over a military ship with soviet made weapons bound for sudan and broke the scandal that they werent really going to kenya (that's kinda anti-state)
2. about the introduction of US dollars, i think the US is doing a way better job than any of them in introducing their wieners (er ahem) i mean, money into everyone's face. plus the pirates've done pretty heavy damage to global capitalism; they get gigantic ransoms, and even without a government somalia has better infrastructure than most other african countries. sure they're just fucking it up for the benefit of their own local capitalism...but commies should like that since they're turnin' the ol' tables on the people who for centuries sucked africa dry...
anyway yeh i guess it's good for a laugh and that's about all...
Nov 18 2008
#26
xConorx wrote:
lalala wrote:
ha ha ha ok, fine.
you're right, joe, it's not even worth talking about the fact that these people just seized the biggest ship ever seized by pirates, with 2 million barrels of oil, the world's favorite commodity.
after all, what they're doing is not explicitly libertarian communist.Of course it's worth talking about, no one said it wasn't.
joseph said i was getting a 'hard-on over every black guy with an AK', isn't it fair to assume that meant he didn't think this was worth talking about? this is why we can't have nice things.
Nov 18 2008
#27
lalala wrote:
joseph said i was getting a 'hard-on over every black guy with an AK', isn't it fair to assume that meant he didn't think this was worth talking about? this is why we can't have nice things.
I see no reason to assume that. You might say 'fuck that's pretty ballsy but has fuck all to do with communism'.
It was more what you actually said and the political slant you put on it that JoeK was reacting to I assume.
Nov 18 2008
#28
lalala wrote:
1....they took over a military ship with soviet made weapons bound for sudan and broke the scandal that they werent really going to kenya (that's kinda anti-state)
I personally don't know how much I like the idea of organised criminal gangs in wartorn countries having military weapons.
Nov 18 2008
#29
"organised criminal gangs in wartorn countries having military weapons." I also do not like them.
as for the whole political slant thing, i just heartily approve of pirates on the high seas especially when they're jackin oil, that most awful stuff. what's so political about that? i don't even think it'll even accomplish anything, just cost the big business pigs a lotta dough. so what?
Nov 18 2008
#30
... cheers for posting that picture, as if i'm for occupying troops or something.
lalala wrote:
i don't even think it'll even accomplish anything, just cost the big business pigs a lotta dough. so what?
and who do you suppose has to pay for big businesses losing money? certainly not the bosses...
from a source in that link:
yay illegal capitalism! free trade bad ∴ pirates good